This is “a feud between PR firms.”
That blunt statement Thursday morning from federal Judge Lewis J. Liman truly set the tone and parameters on the Protective Order hearing in the between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni on what occurred truly during the making of It Ends With Us and the alleged online smear campaign that followed and continues.
Conducted virtually, with Lively, Baldoni and Ryan Reynolds not in apparent attendance, today’s session was focused on the skirmish over how much information in the sprawling matter should be covered under the standard model protective order. Lively and Reynolds’ side believe confidentially is so at risk and the impulse to leak the media by the other side is so great that an Attorney’s Eyes Only order is needed.
Building off Judge Liman’s starting comment of the quarrel here, Lively and Reynolds attorney Meryl Conant Governski cut to the bottom line.
“The parties in this case, on both sides, include people whose entire living is made off providing information to the press and content creators,” the Willkie Farr & Gallagher lawyer told the hearing. “There are 100 million reasons for these parties to leak information because the PR value is greater than complying with the court’s orders.”
It’s a premise that lead Baldoni lawyer Bryan Freeman rejected today, as he has many times in the past in filings and media appearances.
“No one has any intent of harming Ms. Lively in anyway” as to her allegations the often-pugilistic litigator stated to the court this morning. “My clients have a right to defend themselves …that is in no way abusing the victim,” Freedman added.
In that vein, off the top of the over 70-minutes long hearing, Judge Liman made it clear he was in fact very aware of how Lively and Baldoni’s clash was playing out in the media, and accusations that parties on both sides were leaking to the press.
To Freedman, who rarely lacks flare for a quote, a lot of this was simply Lively and Reynolds seeking to have the law bend to their desires, not necessarily the needs of justice. “What the other side is asking for because there is celebrity, because there is powerful people in the industry …somehow there is a different law that applies to them,” he stated addressing notions of PR trade secrets and more coming out along with personal information.
With a reference to articles that show up in Deadline and other outlets, Freedman noted it is not secret as to which firm represents which celebrities. “It is in no way a trade secret,” he said. The attorney also waved aside a discussion to a Miramax vs. Quentin Tarantino dispute from several years ago where Freedman had sought a AEO order for his Oscar winning client. That “involved actual trade secrets” and the Pulp Fiction screenplay, an annoyed Freedman countered, “a very different matter.”
Perhaps to bring down the temperature for all parties in what has become an extremely heated clash ever since Lively filed a complaint of sexual harassment and retaliation with California’s Civil Rights department on December 20, Liman at one point today tipped his judicial hat to reality in the digital age and in the justice system.
“Much of this information will become public as the case goes forward – for example in motions for summary judgment, and of course at trial,” Judge Liman stated near the end of the hearing. “There is a public interest in how the courts are being used that the Court has to respect.”
No decision was reached this morning by Judge Liman, who said he is taking the matter under submission and “give you my views soon.” With both sides previously rejecting the notion of any settlement as “premature” and having submitted amended complaints over the last month, the whole matter is currently set to go to trial on March 29, 2026.
Besides the sexual harassment claim that Lively first made to California’s CRD and reiterated in her New Year’s Eve suit against Baldoni, his Wayfarer Studios, CEO Jamey Heath, moneyman Steve Sarowitz, publicists Melissa Nathan and Jennifer Abel, the retaliation claim with the role of the media, and the public record was at the legal and emotional heart of today’s hearing.
“This is a unique case, certainly,” declared attorney Sigrid McCawley, representing Lively and Reynolds’ publicist Leslie Sloane and her Vision PR firm, in distinct understatement to the lawyer heavy hearing Thursday. It should be noted, Sloane is trying to get herself and her company out of the very high-profile case, as McCawley noted several times Thursday.
In that context, in a back-and-forth with Baldoni attorney Freedman, Judge Liman pointed out that both sides have alleged that the other has “leaked confidential information …that are difficult to trace,” and that is why some form of AEO may be necessary here.
“Your honor, no one is interest in what someone’s security is doing …not even remotely relative to the case at all,” the litigator responded in circumspect terms. “With respect to Ms. Lively’s medical records and psychological records …we would meet and confer, we have no intent of disclosing that,” he added, noting that he and his colleagues would not even disclose such potentially sensitive material to Baldoni and other members of the self-described Wayfarer parties.
Talking umbrage with that, McCawley pointed to “trade secrets, business plans and strategies …discussions concerning other clients” of Vision PR as being the information they wanted protected under a AEO order. It’s “a much more reasonable way…to deal with this issue” when you have “competitive” parties like Nathan’s TAG and, at least for the time being, Sloane’s Vision PR, McCawley added. “Not just take Mr, Freedman’s word that he would hold it in good faith for some undisclosed time,” she noted later in the proceedings.
Citing the Wayfarer parties’ proposed solution as “on-the-fly” and “ad-hoc,” Lively lawyer Governski accused Freedman at one point of trying to create “a whole new process that is essentially the AEO process,” A statement, the Baldoni lawyer unsurprisingly rejected, once again stressing any AEO is simply unnecassary in his POV.
Also trying to get out of the case, the New York Times became a party here because of their text message rich December 21 article “We Can Bury Anyone: Inside a Hollywood Smear Machine” about Lively’s allegations. The Gray Lady was originally sued in Los Angeles Superior Court by Baldoni and his team for $250 million on New Year’s Eve, the same day the actress officially sued her IEWU co-star. Launching his own $400 million defamation and extortion action against Lively, Ryan Reynolds and Sloane on January 16, Baldoni dropped the West Coast NYT action in early February and added the paper to an amended complaint against the trio. To that, a lawyer for the NYT was at today’s hearing.
Along with all this, as well as self-described “hired gun” and alleged Nathan pal Jed Wallace’s $7 million suit against Lively, Quinn Emanuel lawyers were participating in today’s hearing for PR chief Stephanie Jones and her Joneswork firm. In another separate case, filed on just before Christmas, Jones is suing Baldoni, Wayfarer, execs, Crisis PR boss Nathan and Abel for defamation, breach of contract. Abel was an employee of Joneswork and Baldoni was a client until last year when both bolted and Abel formed her own PR firm RWA Communications.
As the judge said, all about the PR firms.
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